Text COM:2657136 (371 lines) [W1]

From: Internet: DGilsen@aol.com

Date: 27-Sep-99 00:18

To: Apocalypse 1999? (Are you ready?) [869]

To: Tribhangananda (das) ACBSP (GB) [4054] (received: 28-Sep-99 15:14)

To: Madhusudana (das) (Mayapur - IN) [3852] (received: 30-Sep-99 08:03)

To: Samba (das) SDG (Mauritius) [7843] (received: 27-Sep-99 03:49)

To: Nityodita@juno.com

Subject: Survival info from a shy devotee who wishes to remain nameless

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> To: DGilsen@aol.com

> Haribol to all

> Some where out there is a shy devotee who sent me a lot of excellent

> information concerning self sufficiency, and preparation for disaster.

> .............................................

> Dear Carol,

> please accept my obeisances.

> All glories to Srila Prabhupada!!

> It was me who sent you the survival info. It's

> OK, I

> have been watching the conference, and was just thinking of getting in

touch

> with

> you.

> Yes, if possible, please keep my identity 'under your hat'. .

> Thanks you for your help.

> Here is some of the original message, and the survival info list;

> >So I want to ask a favor from you. See I did this whole Y2K thing for

> the devotees on the request of one of our Maharaja's.

> At first I had no intention of 'Going Global' being somewhat self

> conscious to put my name to it. But I can't help thinking that maybe

> there is someone out there who could get something from it. Would you be

> so kind to post it for me, and say that a friend who wishes to remain

> anonymous handed it on to you? If you don't want to, we won't stop

> loving you any the less.

> Please take care, and continue with your neat spirit...keep the faith!

> Your servant, XXXXX The shy devotee

> ....................................................................

> Disaster Survival

> Prabhupada; "Civilization will collapse very soon, all over the world.

> It will collapse. Either you bring this isim or that isim, this

> civilization will collapse. People will become mad, being harassed in so

> many ways. So that position is coming.

> When the Government cannot adjust, they start a war".

> [Morning Walk, Delhi Nov 29, 1975.]

> ---------------------------------------------------

> To survive any disaster, however unlikely or unwelcome it may

> be, we will need to be prepared, both physically, and also mentally.

> Although theoretically the devotees of Lord Krsna understand this

> material world to be a very dangerous place, we are also reasonably

> conditioned to living a safe and

> comfortable life.

> Modern civilization, with all its conveniences, has to varying

> degrees, lulled us into a false sense of security.

> However a brief study of history shows us that throughout the

> ages people have always stored food, firewood and clothing,

> and other essentials to get them through tough times.

> Even in the present day, the non-devotees have their Civil Defense,

> [National Guard in USA] and the Red Cross, holding regular

> rehearsals in preparation for possible/probable disaster[s],

> and advising the general public to store food, water,

> candles, matches, etc. Now here in XXX they run a regular TV ad,

> warning of probable power cuts right into March 2000, and advising

> preparedness for Y2K.

> Neither is preparing for potential upheaval meant to become an

> all-out and desperate attempt to preserve this mortal frame, nor a

> diversion of our energy from the all important work of spreading

> Krsna Consciousness. However, holding supplies of food and

> clothing in reserve may require the same sort of foresight as having a

> stockpile of Srila Prabhupada's books for distribution,.. one cannot

> go on without the other. If your local shops grind to a halt, where

> will your sustenance come from to enable you to continue with your

> missionary activities?

> During an emergency, Government 'Food Relief Programs' will

> more than likely dole out a lot of untouchable foodstuffs, unfit for

> the Vaisnavas. So with a little thought and planning, and minimal

> effort, the devotees can greatly increase their chances of living

> through a disaster. BE POSITIVE!

>gbvv Any level of Economic and/or Social collapse will see each

> Temple/Center, and each individual witness their own unique set of

> experiences, and we can expect the situation will be in constant flux,

> as is the nature of any upheaval. You will need to have your finger

> on the pulse, have a plan, and the means to execute it.

> Your plans will need to be flexible enough to adapt to the

> changing conditions, and the situation will obviously require

> constant monitoring. Timing is all important, you will need to

> decide at what point [if any] it will no longer be safe to remain

> within the city. As preachers you will all want to remain as long as

> you can, but as preachers you will also want to live to fight another

> day. [But for lethargy and/or attachment, thousands of people

> could have saved themselves from the ‘Holocaust,’ had they just

> simply removed themselves from the danger in time.]

> In a country like XXXX, we would expect things to settle

> down after some time in the event of a disaster [hopefully], and those

> who have survived will carry on. With a little foresight and

> planning, all of Lord Caitanya Men and Women can be among

> them. [Plus Lord Caitanya Himself in the form of the Deity]

> This paper deals pacifically with short term 'Disaster Survival.'

> The information offered herein is general, applicable to many

> different situations, [i.e.: 20 kg's of stored washing powder will be

> very useful if rations are imposed, but the same 20kg's

> of wash powder would simply be a useless burden if you needed to throw

> on a backpack and walk out of a shattered city] But by making

> positive preparations, you can be ready to confidently face any

> possible disaster and survive, [unless of course Krsna wills otherwise.]

> You may not be able to make all the preparations you want to, or

> purchase all the survival items on your list, but in the words of Srila

> Prabhupada, "something is better than nothing."

> * The information offered herein is a guideline only, and in no way

> constitutes a promise or guarantee of success in its application.

> FOOD

> So as not to put any undue financial strain on your home,

> temple, or preaching center, each week you

> can buy a few items for your 'Survival Food Kit', along

> with your regular grocery shopping. If you have extra funds, buy

> extra grains etc. You will need to buy plastic or tin containers for

> food

> and grain storage, [remember you may need to physically

> move your supplies from time to time, so if you

> store grains in something like a big 100 litre drum, have some

> smaller drums ready to transfer into.]

> Date each bucket as it is filled, rotate the stock regularly, using it

> for devotee prasadam or Sunday Feasts, but immediately replace

> what you use with new stock. Most Grains will keep well

> in dry, air tight containers, but keep a close eye on it, you don't

> want to find all your stores spoiled. Of course you don't want to

> keep opening all your sealed containers, so you will need to work

> out how to monitor the health of your supplies. [some good ideas on the

> Y2K conference in this regard]

> -------------------------

> Don't store soap, washing powder, incense or any chemicals in

> the same room as foodstuffs.

> -------------------------

> Keep it in mind if you do use plastic containers, rats and mice can

> chew through nylon food grade plastic. The classic metal trunks we bring

> back from India are invaluable as 'rodent resistant' storing places.

> [A hungry mouse will also chew your stored clothes if he can get his

> paws on them]

> The following are some good foods to store, add any extra's you

> can think of:

> Dried Fruits [Saultanas, Raisins, Bananas, Apricots, Apples,

> Prunes, Dates etc]

> Dried Vegetables [Peas, Beans, Carrots, corn etc]

> [*Dry your own when fruits and veggie's are in season and cheap!]

> Dried Potato Flakes

> Papadoms [Protein, can be cooked without Ghee or oil over open flame]

> Rice Noodles

> Pasta

> Milk Powder

> Golden Syrup

> Sugar

> Peanut Butter

> Jam

> Vegemite

> Honey

> Tinned Fruit [Questionable nutritional value though]

> Carob Bars [highly recommended in a disaster situation as

> 'comfort foods.' Chocolate is another one. Whoops, did I say

> chocolate?]

> Milky Bars [Bonafide!]

> Barley Sugars/Boiled Lollies

> Bonafide chewy milk lollies [Moo Chews etc!]

> Muslie Bars

> Russian Fudge

> Spirallina

> Mung Beans [Sprout for salad veggies, live fresh food]

> Barley

> Whole Oats

> Rolled Oats

> Chick Peas

> Rice [white and brown]

> Beverage [coffee substitute like Ecco, Caro]

> Herb Teas [vitamin C]

> Vitamin C tablets

> Multi Vitamins

> Powdered Fruit Drinks [although anti caking agent, clouding agent and

> thickeners are of questionable origin, but these drinks are an

> instant source of vitamin C. You can find a Bonafide brand out there

> somewhere]

> Barkers Concentrated Drinks

> Salt [A useful means of Trade ]

> Ghee [beg, borrow etc, but get some in]

> Tins of Cooking Oil [Olive etc]

> Condensed Milk

> *Try not to store all your survival foodstuffs in the one place Some

> will need to be hidden, with only one or two devotees knowing

> there whereabouts. If you have family or friends living outside the

> city, store some grains with them [If possible, don't tell them what

> it is]. Encourage each individual also to store for themselves.

> Remember, hunger is a sharp sword, and can make people do

> strange things. Treat your food cache as you would Laxmi. Real

> wealth, Prabhupada tells us, is found within grains and milk. How

> much more so in a survival situation.

> HYGIENE

> Dish Washing Liquid

> Floss

> Soap

> Razors

> Toothpaste

> Clothes Washing Powder

> Disinfectant

> Baking Soda

> [*Personal Hygiene is very important, buy plenty of soap and

> toothpaste etc.]

> CLOTHING

> A thin dhoti and a pair of sandals are not practical if you find

> yourself trekking in the bush or ripping up floorboards

> for cooking fuel and swinging an ax. Look through some

> tramping mags, visit a camping/tramping store, find out what the non

> devotees wear on the farm or in the bush [forest] to survive.

> Monitor what you wear at present, how long does it last, how long

> does it take to dry, how bulky, how heavy etc.

> Work out what's practical and good for you.

> Thermal clothing is really good, but expensive.

> Srila Prabhupada recommends keeping the chest warm in order to

> keep the rest of the body warm. Snug fitting singlets/vests are good.

> Here's some clothing ideas;

> Thermal Long Johns

> Thermal Top [Long Sleeve]

> Strong Trousers [Jeans are good, but the cheap brands

> will not last long]

> Sweat Shirts

> Fleecy Track Pants

> Waterproof Over-Trousers

> Waterproof Coat

> Waterproof Hat

> Woollen/Polar Fleece Hat

> Ski Gloves [Recycle Ski Shops Sell Non-Matching Pairs for Cheap]

> Scarf

> Socks

> singlets

> T-shirts [Gray or unbleached last longest]

> Polar Fleece Top

> Sun Hat

> Towels/Gumchas

> Full Body Ski suit [second hand]

> FOOTWEAR

> * A strong pair of Leather Boots [Obviously not the ideal ahimsa

> footwear, but sandals are impractical and any kind of synthetic

> running shoe will fall off your feet in 6 months under tough

> conditions.] Buy with the thought in mind that it may be the only

> footwear you will own for several years. In Canada they make

> good synthetic work boots, maybe they are also available where you are.

> You will need some beeswax to waterproof boots.

> Running shoes will also be good at times.

> *Also not to be underestimated is the humble rubber 'Gumboot'

> ['Wellingtons'/'Galoshers']....your feet will remain warm and dry even

> if you are standing in six inches of water.

> OTHER

> Sleeping bag [10 degree below zero grade at least]

> Tent [Full size or Dome model with sewn in floor, not purple or

> pink, go for green if possible as you may wish to remain

> incognito]

> Water containers [3L Robinson Juice bottles are worth saving]

> Torch & Batteries & Spare Bulbs [Solar Rechargeable Lanterns

> are Available]

> Water Purifying Tablets

> Folding Saw

> Folding Shovel

> Waterproof Matches/Flint Lighter/Cigarette Lighters

> Primus Cooker & Spare Gas Canisters.

> Compactable Cooking Pots [One fits inside the other, doubles

> as your eating bowls]

> Nylon Clothes Line Rope & Pegs

> Knife & Sharpening Stone

> 1st Aid Kit [include plenty of good strong pain killers like

> Codeine]

> Needle & Thread

> Fishing Line/Hooks/Sinkers [optional]

> Multi Band Radio [not a priority]

> Drink Bottle

> Sun Block

> Bucket

> Stainless Plate, Cup, Spoon

> Air Rifle

> Sling shot (wrist rocket type) and a bag of marbles or ball bearings

> EXTRAS

> Big box of sawdust [If the sewer system fails, a 20lt plastic

> bucket with toilet seat attached will do. Cover deposits with a

> layer of sawdust. If there is still an odor, you have not used

> enough sawdust. When fill, empty contents into a rubbish bag

> and dump it.]

> Hand-powered stone grain mill. SAMAP brand from France,

> available from Mr. Peter Weiss.NZ [pweiss@chch.planet.org.nz]

> *He will put you in touch with the supplier nearest to you.

> Spare Petrol

> Mountain/standard Bikes [If everyone decides to leave the city at once

> by car, a bike may be a positive alternative]

> 2:1 mixture of Black Walnut Hull and Wormwood Tinctures. [1

> teaspoon a day for 3 weeks,] Freshly ground cloves. [1/2

> teaspoon a day for at least a month. This will kill any parasites

> you may pick up from contaminated water. [As the cloves kill

> all parasite eggs, they can be taken as a preventative, 1 teaspoon

> of cloves a week 'eternally'] [*Tincture is quite strong,

> so you may wish to build up to the full daily dose slowly]

> Gas Bottle and Burners [keep at least one gas bottle always in

> reserve]

> Food Chill Bin

> Gardening tools

> Seeds [lots of them, can be traded, non hybrid if possible] (Replace each

year, and plant the old ones)

> [Enroll in a First Aid Course now]

> Generator

> Roll of soft wire, pair pliers/side cutters, tools.

> Solar shower

> Well folks I think this devotee did a pretty good job so think about his

excellent efforts and do a little planning for your self. Remember the five

"P"s Prior preparation prevents poor performance.

With many thanks for all that work, devotee XXX I am proud of you, so

should every body else!

Carol

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Text COM:2659578 (406 lines)

From: Krsna Prana (dd) JPS (Perth - AU)

Date: 28-Sep-99 13:03

To: DGilsen@aol.com

To: Apocalypse 1999? (Are you ready?) [872]

Subject: Another list of things to do & buy

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Dear Carol & everyone!

Hare Krsna

i found this really interesting web site at

http://www.garynorth.com/y2k/detail_.cfm/4173

its quite useful....

All glories to Srila Prabhupada! _/\o_

your servant, Krsna Prana dd

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PS: for those of you who cannot access the web page ... here is the info in

text.

Date:

1999-03-20 12:19:58

Subject:

Another List of Things to Do and Buy

Comment:

This was sent to me. It's as good a list as any. If you

would do all

this, you would be better prepared than anyone except

Gator Jack

Boulieu, who lives ten miles into the Louisiana bayou

and who last

visited town in 1983.

Print out this list. See how much you have left to do.

This will be a

painful exercise. Do it anyway.

* * * * * * * * * *

Y2K PREPARATION CONSIDERATIONS

Consider the volume of what you prepare based upon the

length of

time you are projecting for possible disruptions to

normal services &

products.

1. Secure hard copies of IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS. Store

them in a safe location accessible to you in a crisis

(fireproof box,

secure location in the home, buried outside if

necessary).

Birth certificates

Social Security cards

Marriage license or certificate

Insurance policies

Financial statements

Mortgage and other loan agreements

Deeds, titles and other proofs of property/asset

ownership

Credit card statements

Tax returns

Personal earnings statement from SSA (www.ssa.gov form

SSA-7004)

Wills

Drivers license

Credit report

Educational transcripts

1999 bill payments and receipts

2. WATER source alternatives: swimming pool extracted

with

portable water filter, 55 gallon barrels, 5 gallon FDA

approved food

grade containers, dig a well, fill soda bottles (adding

drops of

Clorox

- 5.25% sodium hypochlorite, 94.75% inert ingredients,

unscented,

buy eyedropper - or iodine in proper proportion);

stored water

should be kept in a dark area away from odors, such as

gasoline;

don't use plastic milk bottles to store drinking water

(they are made

to deteriorate and will retain some milk in the

plastic, even when

washed)

If you opt to boil water for purification, buy a couple

large pots.

Need about 1 gallon/day/person minimum. This is simply

for drinking

and cooking. Does not include bathing, cleaning dishes

or anything

else. So a family of 4, for example, that thinks there

may be clean

water shortages for two months needs to plan for a

minimum of 240

gallons (4 people X 30 days X 2 months = 240 gallons).

Only use plastic milk bottles for non-drinking water

storage (e.g.

water for washing dishes, clothes, refilling toilet

tank, etc.).

Don't scrimp on your water supply strategy. Without

water for 4-5

days, you die. If you drink contaminated water, you'll

become very

sick, then die. (Um, I'll take door number 3...)

3. FOOD: long-term storage from suppliers, grocery

supplies, local

bulk suppliers (COSTCO, Sam's); if you purchase

long-term storage

food such as wheat, you will need a grain mill

(electric, if you're

optimistic; manual otherwise)

If you choose to grow your own food, buy non-hybrid

seeds. When

these crops grow, you can replant their seeds. Practice

planting in

1999.

If your pets are important to you, purchase extra food

for them as

well.

4. SAFETY & SELF-DEFENSE: fire extinguishers, battery

operated

carbon monoxide monitors, battery operated smoke

detectors, solar

powered motion detection flood lights, home alarms,

dog(s), gun &

ammunition, training to learn proper gun use, fell

trees you may be

concerned about in the event insurance companies are

unprepared for

Y2K

5. ELECTRICITY alternatives: generator (lots of diesel

or gasoline),

12-volt marine batteries (not automobile batteries)

with high AMP

hours/inverter (which converts DC power to AC

power)/solar panel

to recharge batteries, wear slippers and rub your feet

on a carpet :}

6. HEAT alternatives: wood burning stove (and wood!),

kerosene or

propane heaters (and kerosene or propane), warm

blankets, goose

down sleeping bags, clothes (including hats, ski

gloves, goose down

coats, long underwear, good quality shoes,

insulated/waterproof

boots for winter)

If you have a fireplace or wood burning stove already,

have its

chimney cleaned in 1999.

7. HOME REPAIR/IMPROVEMENTS: roof repair, exterior

paint,

siding replacement, room additions, etc.; you may want

to do it now

while prices are stable

8. HUMAN WASTE REMOVAL: if tap water is unavailable and

you have a septic tank, you can collect rain water from

a down spout

into a large, unused plastic trash can and use it for

toilet tank

replacement water; dig/build an "outhouse"; home made

toilet (large

bucket with seat, plastic bag, and air freshener);

chemical toilets

(sold

at camping goods stores)

If you have a septic tank, consider having it cleaned

out in 1999.

Ordinary trash disposal (important to prevent

attracting rodents):

dig

large holes in back yard and cover the trash, burn the

trash

9. FINANCES: make as many financial decisions in 1998

possible; bank accounts, stocks, bonds, retirement

plans, properties,

hard assets (gold & silver, diamonds, paintings), debt

retirement

Cash out? Stay in the market? Tough decisions! (But at

least make a

conscious decision rather than letting "it" happen to

you.) Be aware

that if you withdraw $10,000 or more cash in one lump

sum, this will

be reported to the IRS. If you withdraw $10,000 or more

cash in

smaller increments (for example, $5000 one day and

another $5000

two days later) for the purpose of not being reported

to the IRS, you

can be charged with illegal "structuring".

For private schools (or anything else where you pay

months in

advance), consider how much in advance you want to pay

for the

year 2000 (might consider month-to-month payments until

it is clear

there is either no crisis or it has ended). Also

consider stopping

automatic payments from a bank account and write checks

instead.

And pay Nov. & Dec. 1999 bills in advance.

10. GLASSES & CONTACT LENSES: purchase an extra set in

1999

11. Routine MEDICAL/DENTAL appointments and procedures:

schedule them in early 1999, avoid elective surgery in

late 1999 or

early 2000

12. HAND TOOLS: shovels, rakes, hammers, screw drivers,

etc.

(walk through Home Depot writing down a list of items

you'd be

likely to use or need if electricity is unavailable for

an extended

period

of time)

13. LIGHT alternatives: kerosene or adjustable propane

lamps (with

lots of kerosene or propane), long lasting candles

(lots of water

proof

matches), flashlights (lots of batteries...consider

rechargeable

batteries along with a solar powered battery

recharger), mirrors to

enhance the light

14. MEDICAL SUPPLIES: look through your medicine supply

cabinet to see what you actually use; if you take

prescription drugs,

see if your doctor will permit a lengthier supply than

1 month

Medical supply resources ------------------------

http://www.rx2000.org

http://www.y2kchaos.com/s35p110.htm#Message274

First aid and emergency medical training

15. COMMUNICATION alternatives:

One way ------- battery operated radio

solar powered radio

wind up radio

Two way ------- Walkie talkies (no license needed if

using family

radio service bands) Ham radio (license is needed) Cell

phone (if the

infrastructure is still functional)

16. Items for BARTER: cash, coins (bullion and "junk"

silver & gold),

food, water (2-liter bottles), toilet paper, tissue,

women's makeup

(historically very popular in tough times), bullets,

wine, matches,

candles, pens, pencils, paper....whatever would be

desirable by a lot

of people in a supply-limited crisis

17. BOOKS: Bible, do-it-yourself medical/dental books,

leisure

reading, serious reading, general "how to" books,

back-to-nature

cook books

Games, toys, cards, other enjoyments not dependent on

electricity

18. Develop STORAGE STRATEGY in your home: consider

yard

sale or tossing junk to clear out more room

19. INOCULATIONS for various diseases: in a crisis,

insect and

animal bites, viruses, diseases, and infections could

have more

serious

consequences

20. BABY ITEMS: search your home for necessary items

used

today

21. TRANSPORTATION: consider a new or used mountain

bike

for each person in your family (buy helmets, a hand

pump, repair kit,

oil for chains, extra tires, tubes and brake pads - I'm

sold on bikes

with cantilever brakes!); motorcycle if gasoline is

scarce; basic

auto

parts (oil, filters, anti-freeze, etc.) in case

gasoline is available

but auto

parts are not; if you live near water, a canoe could be

handy

22. BASIC HOUSEHOLD ITEMS for family use: toothpaste,

toothbrushes, soap, tissue, toilet paper, feminine

hygiene products,

Q-tips, shampoo, conception control, cleansers, salt,

pepper,

seasonings, sugar, coffee, duct tape, rope, wire,

vitamins, minerals,

olive oil (extra virgin), Pinesol, Clorox, light bulbs

(if power

still

available), clothes pins and clothes line, insecticide,

insect

repellant,

deodorant (yes! yes!), wash tub & scrub board, luminum

foil, plastic

wrap, work gloves, non-electric can opener, trash bags,

room

deodorizers, mouse traps, rechargeable batteries and

many other

out-of-the-ordinary items

Go through each room in your home making a list of all

items you

regularly use. Stock up on these.

23. COOKING alternatives: wood burning stove (inside or

out),

propane stoves, solar oven

24. Consider squeezing any hoped-for VACATION TRIPS

into

1999.

25. SERVICE to others: strategy for communicating with

and helping

to prepare family, friends, coworkers, neighbors - even

those who

are not yet concerned (don't give up on them)

Plan with an eye toward taking in or taking care of one

or more

outside of your immediate family who may not be able

(or may simply

be unprepared) to take care of themselves. But don't

take on the

burden of freeloaders...everyone should share in the

responsibilities

around your home. Plan in advance for those who show up

on your

door step with needs.

26. ADDITIONAL PROPERTY for investment and place of

"refuge" in the event of a complete social collapse

(most can't

afford

this or won't do it if they can, but I believe this IS

a legitimate

consideration for Y2K preparation...nevertheless, point

25 above

precedes this option intentionally).

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