Text COM:1962170 (95 lines)

From: Madhava Gosh (das) ACBSP (New Vrindavan - USA)

Date: 24-Dec-98 13:32

To: Apocalypse 1999? (Are you ready?) [311]

To: (ISKCON) Social and Economic Development [2347]

To: Varnasrama development [8382]

Cc: Sadhusangananda (das) HKS (Boston - USA) [3414] (received:

25-Dec-98 16:38) (sender: Ugresa (das) HKS (Cintamani Intl, Oslo -

N))

Reference: Text COM:1961551 by Hare Krsna dasi (Brunswick, Maine - USA)

Comment: Text COM:1969083 by Hari Sauri (das) ACBSP

Subject: Re: Hand Grain grinders on back order

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>

>

> Just a note to Y2K conference members. I suppose many of you are planning to

> stock whole grains as part of your Y2K provisions -- since they will keep

> longer than flour, and can also be used as seeds if necessary. So naturally,

> you will need some type of non-electric grain mill to grind your grains,

> chickpeas, corn, etc.

>

> Well, the news is, a lot of other people are also thinking like you.

I was just reading where a dried foods survivalist place has doubled their

production and is still 2 months backlogged.

> Lehman's website is http://www.lehmans.com Also "Learn more about

gardening,

> baking bread, making cheese, living without electricity, homesteading and

much

> more at http://countrylife.net ."

>

Love Lehmans. Although they are not cheap, and with a bit of endeavor it is

possible to find many of the things they sell cheaper in other places, if it

is

nonelectric, they have it. Over the years, we have picked up many old

fashioned

things at farm auctions at a fraction of Lehman's prices, and would advise

anyone

starting out to haunt the auctions, but now we have a lot of stuff already,

so

going to the auctions now is time we usually can't afford, although I still

enjoy

them. The last auction I was at was a supermarket that went out of busines,

and I

got a lot of baskets to use for display on our roadside stand.

We bought our woodcook stove at Lehmans - got it a little cheaper as it was a

floor

model. As a matter of fact, the most recent catalogue I have from them still

had

it's picture in it.

> For anyone who is interested I ordered "our best grain mill" with stone

burrs

> C-17A for $149.00. You can also get this with Cast Iron burrs, for same

price

> C-17B (for tahini, nut butters, etc.)

I looked this up and noticed that you can get a conversion for $39 so you can

use

it both as a cast iron or stone mill. Trust me, they aren't making it up when

they say you can't grind nuts in a stone mill.

We bought ours from them also, but I notice they don't stock the one we got

anymore. We also paid about $150 for ours. It has the type of handle like on

the

one they call the Rolls Royce of Grain mills($465), that can be used as either

a

hand mill, or by removing the wood handle, it is also a pulley for using with

electric motors.

Before I became a devotee, I bought one that was pictured in the catalogue for

under $95. Take my advice, spend the extra money for the beter ones. The

difference in grind is noticeable, both in the finest attainable, and in the

time

spent in grinding. As a young, pumped up farm boy, I could grind about 5

pounds

an hour with the cheaper one. It takes less effort to get that with the

better

quality.

If you are serious and have the money, or are buying for a buyers club or a

temple, consider the most expensive one. The fact that it can be used both as

electric and as a hand grinder mean not only would it be vaulable in a post

cataclysmic event scenario, but it could be useful for a day to day tool now.

We

have done experiments with grinding a batch of wheat, then immediately making

pancakes with half the flour, then waiting 24 hours and using the same recipie

with the other half. There was a dramatic difference in sweetness, as fresh

flour

oxidizes rapidly . In NV, we used to store grains and ground fresh flour

daily as

part of a rotation of stocks regimen. The chapaties and breads that came from

the

kitchen in those days, where the wheat was ground just immediate to use, were

of

superior quality.

If you can buy grains direct from a farmer (or better yet, grow them

yourselves),

then grind them, you can even save a little money on flour costs that if you

are

grinding for more than just one family, can repay the investment in the

grinder

fairly quickly. The absolute minimum for any community dreaming about self

reliance is the ability to grind grains.

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Text COM:1961551 (74 lines)

From: Hare Krsna dasi (Brunswick, Maine - USA)

Date: 23-Dec-98 17:55

To: Apocalypse 1999? (Are you ready?) [310]

To: Bhakti Raghava Swami [4432] (forwarded: 24-Dec-98 09:40)

Cc: (ISKCON) Social and Economic Development [2346]

Cc: Varnasrama development [8380]

Cc: "Ind, Gaura-Mandala-Bhumi" <gmbdasa@pacific.net.id>

Cc: Sahadeva (das) BRS (Secunderabad - IN) [1920] (received: 26-Dec-98

01:33)

Cc: (Bhakta) Utpal Borah (Mayapur - IN) [800] (received: 25-Dec-98

02:48)

Scc: Raktambara (das) HKS (SysOp) (NE-BBT) [63987] (received: 26-Dec-98

14:47) (sender: Mukhya (dd) HKS (Asst. SysOp) (NE-BBT))

Reference: Text COM:1942910 by Internet: BHAKTI RAGHAVA SWA

Comment: Text COM:1962170 by Madhava Gosh (das) ACBSP (New Vrindavan - USA)

Subject: Hand Grain grinders on back order

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From: Hare Krsna dasi

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Just a note to Y2K conference members. I suppose many of you are planning to

stock whole grains as part of your Y2K provisions -- since they will keep

longer than flour, and can also be used as seeds if necessary. So naturally,

you will need some type of non-electric grain mill to grind your grains,

chickpeas, corn, etc.

Well, the news is, a lot of other people are also thinking like you.

My mother sent us some Christmas money, so I thought it was a great opportunity

to order a grain grinder. I got a phone call yesterday from Lehman's Hardware

saying that the grain grinders were in such great demand that they have placed

my request **on back order until March!**

I'm glad I didn't wait until March to order it.

Lehman's website is http://www.lehmans.com Also "Learn more about gardening,

baking bread, making cheese, living without electricity, homesteading and much

more at http://countrylife.net ."

Here's the address for Lehman's

Lehman Hardware and Appliance

One Lehman Circle, PO Box 41

Kidron, Ohio 44636 USA

phone 330-857-5757

fax 330-857-5785

If you order something worth more than $75 you can request a free catalog

"Lehman's Source List for Hard-to-Find Items." "We spent years compiling this

list of sources for hard-to-find items. Many are virtually unknown cottage

industries. Learn where to buy Amish buggies, antique stove parts, horse drawn

farm equipment, rare seeds, windmills, beekeeping supplies, spinning looms,

herbs, and much more. Dozens of sources!"

For anyone who is interested I ordered "our best grain mill" with stone burrs

C-17A for $149.00. You can also get this with Cast Iron burrs, for same price

C-17B (for tahini, nut butters, etc.)

For a coarses flour, or higher volume, or for livestock, there is another good

mill: #232 for $165.00.

The other good source like this is

Cumberland General Store

#1 Highway 68

Crossville TN 38555

1-800-334-4640]

931-456-1211 (fax)

www.cumberlandgeneral.com

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Business Opportunity!! I personally am not going to do this, but I think that

this would be a nice opportunity for a devotee or several different devotees --

to obtain small self-sufficient equipment to sell at Mayapur and at our Ratha

Yatra fairs this summer. If you stock up now, you'll have a hot item, by the

time all other sources put people on back order. Maybe this could be a

fund-raiser for temples.

Along with this, I think a Y2K self-sufficiency book store or display would be

a good idea. It's very hard for people to track down self-sufficiency titles.

The basic book to start with, of course, is the *Alternative Technology

Sourcebook* since that contains 1100 other titles in it.

your servant,

Hare Krsna dasi

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