Rama-carita-manasa

 

by Tulsi das

 

Prabhupada on Rama-carita-manasa by Tulsidas Srila Prabhupada starts the lecture on Radhastami 1968 by a verse of Tulasidasas Rama-carita manasa. Prabhupada calls him a great devotee of the lord, that all he writes is on the basic of shastra, and  he quotes him many times.

 

It may be that Srila Prabhupada said dome things about Tulasi das which were not very nice. But one has to consider the circumstances.

 

I saw it so often: Many devotees take just some quotes of Prabhupada and missuse it immaturly in their preaching. Even against great devotees like Tulasi das. Most of us have never even read these books, but we dare to criticize it. If Srila Prabhupada did so some times,-even though he also said that Tulasi das is a very great devotee- it does not give us the right to imitate him. Just like parents have to protect their child very intensly in the beginning, but if they continue like that for 20 years, it becomes an abnormal situation and behavior. In the same way did also Srila Prabhupada, like a loving father, protect the very weak devotional creeper of his new disciples in the beginning. So in the beginning it is best just to concentrate oneself. That is why he discouraged his early disciples to read that.

 

Srila Prabhupada writes in the 46th chapter of Krishna book:

 

"Srila Vishvanatha cakravarti Thakur has given us a transcendental literary work entitled Krishna Bhavanamrta, which is full with Krishna’s pastimes. Exalted devotees can remain absorbed in Krishna-thought by reading such books. Any book of krishna lila, even this book, Krishna, or our Teachings of Lord Caitanya, is actually solace for devotees feeling separation from Krishna."

 

Rama carita Manasa is certainly such a book. Please never preach against such a jewel of the vaishnavas.

 

 

Sri Tulasi das ji  maharaj says in his Vinay patrika: "May that tongue fall from the mouth and may it become the loitering place  of the worms   which grow in the stool of a dog which does not sing the  glories of Sri Janaki naatha."

 

 

I have many vaishnava friends in India who grew up with Ram-carita manasa. By hearing this regulary they got so much love of godhead. When I heard their parents singing it, they often had tears in their eyes. And these were not sentimental tears but the ones I am praying for daily (nayanam galad asru dharaya)

 

 

 Here some quotes of Srila Prabhupada:

 

 

 30.August 1968 Class on Radhastami by Srila Prabhupada

 

 

...am aprameyam anaghaà nirväëa-çänti-pradaà brahma-çambhu-phanéndras tebhyo ’niçaà vedänta-vedyaà vibhuà sura-guruà mäyä-mänuñya-harià vande ’haà karunäkaraà raghu-varaà bhü-päla-cudämaëim This is a verse composed by a great devotee, Tulasi dasa. He was a devotee of Lord Rämacandra. So Lord Rama and Lord Krishna, there is no difference. When we speak Krishna, that means He includes all other incarnations.

 

 

 Actually, Tulasi dasa has expressed his own feelings about his devotion to Lord Rama, and therefore he has named it Rama-carita-manasa, his mind full with service attitude for Lord Rama. That is the real meaning of this book.

 

 

So in the fifth chapter, Sundara-Khanda, it is a very nice verse. What is that? Çäntaà çäçvatam aprameyam anaghaà nirväëa-çänti-pradam. Each word is meaningful. Çäntam. The Lord is never disturbed. Why He shall be disturbed?

 

 I have explained that one Sloka from this Rama-carita-manasa

 

 

 

 

Lecture 21.8.73 in London . That... Tulasi dasa has said that in the ocean, the waves of the ocean, if you put one elephant very powerful, very strong, the elephant will be washed away by the waves. But a small fish, a teeny fish, it is swimming against the waves.

 

 

Lecture 9.7.74 in Los Angeles

 

And there is a version of Tulasi dasa in Hindi. It is said sukse sabe hari bhaje, duhkhse saha hari bhaje, sukse bhaje khoya.(?) Or sukhase ara hari bhaje, tu duùkha hase hoya(?). It is very nice instruction. The instruction is that when one is distressed, everyone remembers God. Yes. Duhkhse saba hari bhaje. Saba means “all.” At that time...

 

 

 24.4.72 in Tokyo

 

 Tulasi dasa says—it is very nice—that “Put and mut, they are coming from the same source. So a put, if he is devotee of the Lord, then he is put. If he is not, then he is mut. Then he is mut.” If the son... After begetting son, if the son does not become devotee, then he is as good as mut. I pass urine. Mut son, he says, because he’s less than mut. Because mut, I pass urine. The obnoxious thing, that is gone away. But it is present. It is present. The bad smell is constantly giving me trouble. Mut karma’s there.(?) So these are very instructive.

 

.. Anyway, that Tulasi dasa says that if he is devotee, then he is son.

 

 

 26.11.76 in Vrindavan

 

 And Tulasi dasa, he has also said... Tulasi dasa is big poet in Hindi language. He has written the Rama-carita-manas. His opinion... Not only his opinion, that is the Vedic opinion, that... He says...

 

 

 

 

room conversation 12.4.69 in New York

 

“If you have got so much attachment for this skin and bone; if you had so much attachment for Rama then your life would have been different.” So he took it seriously. “Why not attachment for Rama?” So he became a great devotee of Rama, Tulasi das. His book, Rama-carita-manasa. “Thinking always of Rama,” that is his book. It is very famous book, and that is the only important literature in the Hindi language, Rama-carita-manasa.

 

 

 

 

Evening darshan 8.7.75  in Washington

 

Prabhupäda: The Tulasi dasa’s Ramayana means Rama-carita. It is not Ramayana. Rama-carita Manas. He was devotee of Lord Ramacandra. So as he was thinking of Lord Ramacandra, he has written. So he was a learned scholar, brahmana, he must have read Bhagavad-gita, Bhagavatam. So all his translation is there on the basis of the sastra, especially Bhagavata and Bhagavad-gita. You’ll find many parallel passages.

 

 

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 (Krsna) Katha [3750] Comment:   Text COM:3071109 by Krsna Candra (das) SNS (Zurich - CH) Subject:   Prabhupada on Rama-carita-manasa by Tulsidas ------------------------------------------------------------ Room Conversation with Srila Prabhupada, August 21, 1976, Hyderabad

 

Jayapataka: When the public began to recite Gitar-gan at their functions, like they're doing this Tulasidasa Ramayana, if they start that in Bengal, Gitar-gan, then it will be a big success. Prabhupada: Tulasidasa. Tulasidasa Ramayana is very popular. Because the Hindis, they have no literature. There is no literature. Jayapataka: If some Gaudiya Vaisnava could rewrite that according to siddhanta, then it would be very good. Prabhupada: Which one? Jayapataka: His Ramayana has got many philosophical errors in it. Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Jayapataka: If a Gaudiya Vaisnava could write that properly... Prabhupada: Why? Gaudiya Vaisnava has immense literature. Why they should bother with Tulasidasa? By reading Tulasidasa's Rama-carita-manasa in my experience I've not seen a single man has come to the spiritual platform. I have not seen a single man. Gargamuni: That is not transcendental literature. Because by reading these books you come to transcendental realization. Prabhupada: Yes, that is wanted. They want asirvada. Just like so many people come, asirvada. "You are a saintly person, you give me asirvada so my material happiness may increase. I am not interested with the spiritual knowledge. Give me blessing so that for nothing I get, upgrade my material opulence." This is their... So those Tulasidasa readers, they are like that. They want material opulence. Arto-artharthi, artharthi, want some material benefit. They chant Tulasidasa's Rama-carita-manasa for some material benefit. They're not interested in the spiritual advancement. Nobody. That Delhi temple where they have pandita? I'm forgetting his name.

 

Srila Prabhupada's Letter to: Raktaka, Hamburg, 6 September, 1969

 

Regarding the two books you have mentioned, Sri Ramacharitamanasa by Goswami Tulasi das is not very authorized, and Ramayana is authorized. One thing is though, you have got enough other books to study. Did you appear in the examination held on Janmastami Day? Why should you go to Ramayana when you have got Bhagavad-gita, Srimad-Bhagavatam and Teachings of Lord Caitanya? Don't divert your attention in that way. The author of Ramacharitamanasa, Goswami Tulasi das, has a tint of Mayavadi philosophy. He belongs to the Ramananda Sampradaya. They are mixed up combination of personalist and impersonalist. Therefore, the author is not considered as pure Vaisnava. Pure Vaisnava is free from all material contamination of fruitive activities and mental speculation. The pure Vaisnava is simply, purely disposed to transcendental loving service to Krishna. The pure Vaisnava rejects anything which has no pure idea of serving the Personality of Godhead.

 

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  (Krsna) Katha [3756] Reference: Text COM:3071109 by Krsna Candra (das) SNS (Zurich - CH) Comment:   Text COM:3072630 by Govinda Nandini (dd) (NE-BBT) Subject:   Prabhupada on Rama-carita-manasa by Tulsidas ------------------------------------------------------------ I accept that Prabhupada has accepted Tulasidas as a great poet & devotee.

 

But I cannot accept that Rama-carita-manasa can be equated to the most superlative book of Radha-Krsna's ashta-kaliya lila, "Sri Krsna Bhajanamrta" by Srila Visvanatha Chakravarti Thakura who is one of the greatest self-realized acarya poets in our bona-fide parampara. Valmiki has got diksha from Narada so the Valmiki Ramayana is considered as the bona-fide Ramayana by Srila Prabhupada. Whereas according to Prabhupada, Tusidas is from the Ramananda sampradaya which is not a bona-fide sampradaya.

 

As quoted earlier, Prabhupada says:

 

"Therefore, the author (of Rama-carita-manasa) is not considered as pure Vaisnava."

 

In some other places Prabhupada glorifies him as a great devotee of Lord Rama, so we can conclude that he is indeed a great devotee but not the purest of devotees because of his connection to the Ramananda sampradaya. Prabhupada never says anywhere that he was a pure devotee. Like the demigods are great devotees but they are mixed.

 

Rama-carita-manasa is also his genuine attempt to glorify Rama but Prabhupada makes a point in his conversation with Jayapataka Swami that when we have our purest Goswami literatures why should be go in for something inferior like the Rama-carita-manas. This book is for those who don't have the Gaudiya Vaisnava literatures.

 

 

> I have many vaishnava friends in India who grew up with Ram-carita manasa.

> By hearing this regulary they got so much love of godhead.

> When I heard their parents singing it, they often had tears in their eyes.

> And these were not sentimental tears but the ones I am praying for daily

> (nayanam galad asru dharaya)

 

If this book could enable you to come to the platform of 'nayanam galad asru dharaya', why did our Goswamis or Lord Caitanya not read it.

 

Your above statement contradicts Prabhupada's following statement:

 

"By reading Tulasidasa's Rama-carita-manasa in my experience I've not seen a single man has come to the spiritual platform. I have not seen a single man."

 

And you are saying that you have seen many crying & getting love of Godhead after reading RCM. I presume that Prabhupada has better experience about India and RMC than any of us. So I would prefer to accept Prabhupada's statement and I cannot accept that they got love of Godhead after reading RCM.